Oscillating turrets were one of the latest trends in tank design in the early years of the Cold War, in the 1950s. The original intention of this type of turret was to make it easier to employ an automatic gun loader in the turret of a tank.
As well as the ability to fit an autoloader, there were other benefits. These included the ability to mount a big gun on a small chassis, have fewer crew members by the omission of the Loader crew member, and have a smaller turret. It also generally allows for a better front profile ballistically.
An AMX-13 90. The AMX-13s is perhaps the most famous and most successful tanks to use oscillating turrets. Photo: The Modeling News.
Oscillating turrets consist of two parts that move on a separate axis. These are the top ‘roof’ section which holds the rigidly mounted main armament which moves up and down. In a conventional turret, the gun moves separately from the turret body, on its own trunnions.
The bottom ‘collar’ part is attached to the ‘roof’ via pivot joints and is fixed directly to the turret ring, allowing conventional 360-degree traverse.
Though it seems a relatively modern idea, the oscillating turret design actually goes back as far as the First World War, to a designer by the name of Arnold H. S. Landor. Landor, a British inventor living in Italy, who designed a new armored car in 1915. It featured possibly the first ever oscillating turret, which was armed with 65 or 75mm gun (specifics unknown) mounted on the vehicle’s roof. This was closely followed by an Armored car designed by Joseph Gonsior, Friedrich Opp, and William Frank. A joint project between the USA and Austro-Hungary from 1916, it had a machine gun in an oscillating turret. The elevation/depression was controlled via hand-cranks.
The next time such a component would appear would be in the early 1940s on the French armored car prototype, the Panhard 201. After the German invasion of France, the prototype was evacuated to northern Africa. This armored car was topped off with an oscillating turret that was manually operated and armed with an SA35 25mm gun.
The Panhard 201 with a simple oscillating turret. Photo: SOURCE
Late in the in the Second World War, the turret type was used again, this time as part of the German prototype Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Gun, the Flakpanzer IV Kugelblitz. This prototype was named after its turret; the name translates to “Lightning Ball”. It consisted of an armored ball mounted on an armored collar connected to the turret ring. The ball, mounting dual 30mm MK 103 cannons, moved independently in elevation, allowing it to target aircraft.
Post Second World War and during the early stages of the Cold War, the French began to lead the way in the development of this type of turret. They invested a great deal of time and money in designing such turrets for light tanks like the AMX-13 and armored cars such as the Panhard EBR (descendant of the 201). The French became the leaders in this technology and was the first (also one of the few) nation to employ this type of turret on a vehicle that saw active service.
Though they were never used on a serial production vehicle, the United States of America also began experimenting with oscillating turret designs in the late 1950s. Such turrets were developed for Light, Medium, and Heavy Tanks. Several prototypes were built to test these turrets, but they were never adopted. This was largely due to the fact that the Americans found no real advantage in using these turrets over the conventional format.
A scale model of the Kugelblitz produced by the designers. Photo: panzernet.net
The major advantage of this type of turret was that it made the addition of an autoloader far easier becasue the loading system moves with the gun. In a conventional, rotating turret, an autoloader would have to follow the gun in elevation and depression to align the shell with the breech, and then ram it in. This method was used in the T37, an experimental American light tank. In other cases, such as with the Soviet IS-7 heavy tank, the gun had to be brought back to a neutral elevation after every shot, making engaging a target with multiple shots much slower. This is called the ‘index position’ and its an issue that remains to this day.
Oscillating turrets eliminated the hassle of both of these methods. As the gun was rigidly placed in the upper part of the turret, the autoloader, attached to the upper ‘roof’ section was free to ram shells in whatever the elevation angle the gun. Not only does this system speed up reloading but it allows the gun to stay on target during reloading which improves the speed of second and subsequent shots on target.
In a conventional turret, the breech of the gun sinks into the basket when elevated, meaning that the turret ring has to be of large enough diameter to accommodate this motion. With an oscillating design, the breach remains above the turret ring whatever the angle, meaning that the turret ring can be smaller, ergo, the hull can be smaller allowing for a bigger gun proportionally on a smaller vehicle. However, in this case, the maximum elevation angle is defined by the space between the rear of the turret and the deck of the hull, which may be less than the angles possible in a conventional design where the breach can fall into the hull.
In this type of turret, the gun is often mounted high-up to grant as much room for elevation and depression as possible. Angles of fire though, were still rather limited when compared to traditional gun mounts. In elevation, the turret bustle would often be mere inches above the engine deck. Mounting the gun high in the turret gives a larger silhouette and easier to spot at distance than the lower-profile conventional turret. This is somewhat offset, however, due to the fact that in a hull-down position less of the turret would be exposed due the height of the gun mount and the improved ballistic shape of the turret
One of the biggest issues with oscillating turrets is that they could not be made safe against NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) attacks. Due to the to their design, there was a gap between the two moving sections of the turret. This was usually covered by waterproof canvas or rubber bellows that shrank and extended with the motion of the turret, but it was not an air-tight seal.
The complexity of their design was the downfall of the oscillating turret, with most work on such designs coming to an end in the mid-1980s. To most military bodies, the opinion was shared that the turrets provided ‘no real advantage’ over the traditional format.
Autoloader technology had improved to the point of being compatible with a regular gun and turret layouts, removing the need for such turrets and the disadvantage of not being able to be sealed against NBC had remained a major and unresolved problem.
In 2013, however, a new vehicle with an oscillating turret entered service with the US Military. This is the M1128 Mobile Gun System (MGS). It consists of an unmanned, remote-controlled turret on the hull of the Stryker ICV (Infantry Combat Vehicle). The vehicle is armed with a 105mm M68A2 rifled gun, and is fed by an 8-round autoloader. It is currently one of the only vehicles with an Oscillating turret serving in an active Military.
The M1128 MGS with turret eleveated. Photo: WBS
French AMX-13 75.
Austrian SK-105 Kürassier
American 90mm Gun Tank T69
American Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System
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Tanks & AFVs with Oscillating Turrets
Panhard EBR: Armored car. In 1940, one of the pilot vehicles, the Panhard 201, was used in testing one of the earliest examples of an oscillating turret. Later models shared turret types and weaponry with the AMX-13. 1954, in service in France until 1981
AMX-13: A series of light tanks. Started out with a cylindrical oscillating turret with non-autoloading 75mm. This progressed to a longer, squarer turret with an autoloading system known as the FL-10. It is perhaps the most successful type of oscillating turret. Armaments progressed from a 75mm gun, to a 90mm and finally a 105mm gun. Entered service in 1952, in service with France until the 1970s, also in the arsenal of countries like Israel, Mexico and Singapore. Singapore only began to retire the tank in 2012.
Char Leger De 12 Tons: Competing design for a light tank, utilising a similar (if not the same) turret as the AMX-13. The major difference was with the running gear based on the classic German interleaved design. Early 1950s, no serial production.
AMX ELC EVEN series: A series of light tanks with various weapons including 30mm, 90mm and 120mm guns. The oscillating turret , consisted of a flat upper part on top of a ‘neck’ joint which was protected behind a truncated material cover. The weapons were often mounted off the center line at the extreme right or left of the turret. 1955, no serial production.
Batignolles-Châtillon Char 25t: Medium tank prototype designed along the same lines as the AMX-13s. It was armed with a 90mm gun and auto-loader. 1954, no serial production.
Lorraine 40t: Medium tank prototype with a unique suspension consisting of pneumatic road-wheels. It was armed with a powerful 100mm gun and autoloader. 1952, no serial production
AMX-50: A series of heavy tank prototypes. The earliest version borrowed much from the Lorraine 40t using a similar turret and the same 100mm gun and autoloading system. The later version incorporated a newer, larger turret design similar to that of the AMX-13’s known as the ‘Tourelle D’ and was armed with a 120mm gun. The AMX-50s borrowed the German style suspension with interleaved road-wheels. Early 1950s, no serial production.
Somua SM: A heavy tank design that competed with the AMX-50. It featured the same turret as the early AMX-50 prototype, armed with a 100mm gun fed by an autoloader. The hull design was heavily inspired by the Tiger II, but used a different individual wheel suspension instead of the famous interleaved type. Early 1950s, no serial production
Medium Tank M4 with FL-10: A number of surplus Sherman tanks were updated by adding the AMX-13’s 75mm armed FL-10 turret. Various models of Sherman were updated, including M4A1s and M4A2s. M4A2s with the turret were used by the Egyptian army in the Six-Day War. Mid-1950s, limited production.
Light Tank M24 with FL-10: A project to modernize M24s in France’s inventory by replacing the standard turret with the 75mm armed FL-10 of the AMX-13. 1956, no serial production
United States of America
Gonsior, Opp, and Frank War Automobile: A joint armored car project designed by Joseph Gonsior, Friedrich Opp, and William Frank. A joint project between the USA and Austro-Hungary from 1916, it had a machine gun in an oscillating turret. The elevation/depression was controlled via hand-cranks. Never left blueprint stages. 1916, no serial production.
76mm Gun Tank T71: A light tank design by two competitors. These were Detroit Arsenal (DA) and Cadillac Motor Car Division (CMCD). DA’s design utilised an oscillating turret and autoloader feeding a 76mm gun. The vehicle was never built and never left blueprint stages. Early-1950s, no serial production
90mm Gun Tank T69: Medium Tank prototype with an oscillating turret mounted on the hull of the failed T42 medium tank project. The turret contained an 8-shot cylinder, not unlike a giant version of one you would find on a handgun. Only one was ever built as the turret was not thought to provide “any real advantage” over the traditional type. Mid-1950s, no serial production.
105mm Gun Tank T54E1: Medium tank prototype produced for series of trials to find the best way to mount a 105mm gun on the hull of the M48 Patton III. An autoloader system was also utilised inside the turret. Mid-1950s, no serial production.
155mm Gun Tank T58: A heavy tank design utilising an oscillating turret with autoloader, mounted on the hull of the T43/M103 hull. Had the tank left the drawing board, it would’ve been armed with a 155mm gun, the largest gun to be mounted in an oscillating turret. Mid-1950s, no serial production.
120mm Gun Tank T57: A heavy tank design similar to the T58 but armed instead with a 120mm gun. Mid-1950s, no serial production.
120mm Gun Tank T77: A heavy tank project to mounting the T57’s turret on the hull of the M48 Patton III. Mid-1950s, no serial production.
M1128 Mobile Gun System: The latest American vehicle to use this turret type. It consists of an unmanned, remote turret on the hull of the Stryker ICV (Infantry Combat Vehicle). The vehicle is armed with a 105mm M68A2 rifled gun, and is fed by an 8-round autoloader. 2013, currently serving.
SK-105 Kürassier: Austrian light tank. The hull was an indigenous design, but it utilized the turret of the AMX-13 bought from France. They were armed with 105mm guns. Early 1970s, in service with Austria until the 1990s, remains in service countries such as Argentina and Botswana.
EMIL Project: A series of heavy tank designs with heavily armored oscillating turrets. They were designed with autoloaders and guns from 105mm to 150mm. Two chassis, codenamed “Kranvagn” (English: Crane vehicle) were constructed before the project’s cancellation. Early 1950s, no serial production.
Strv m/42-57 Alt. A.2.
In an effort to up-gun their already vastly outdated Stridsvagn m/42. A meeting was held on February 15th, 1952 on possible improvements. One solution was to mount a new oscillating turret design on to the m/42’s hull. This idea never came to fruition, however.
Flakpanzer IV Kugelblitz: Anti-aircraft tank built on the chassis of the Panzer IV. The tank was named after its turret, the name meaning “Ball Lightning”. It was armed with two 30mm MK 103 auto-cannons. 1943, no serial production.
DF 105 Combat Tank: A cooperative project between France and Germany combining the Marder I chassis with an updated AMX-13 turret with a 105 mm main gun. It was called the DF 105 Combat Tank. Early-mid 1980s, not serialized. Mid-1980s, no serial production.
CLOVIS, FL-20, 105mm: A follow up project of the DF 105. The Marder chassis remained the basis, but a completely new oscillating turret was added. It was possibly one of the last turrets of the type to be developed. 1985, no serial production.
COBRA: A design for a 30-ton tank to carrying a 120mm gun. It was extremely lightweight for a tank with such a gun, but retained excellent armor protection over the entire frontal arc. Side and rear armor were sacrificed, however. 1954, no serial production.
AMX-13/60: An update program that replaced the existing gun of the French Light Tanks with a high-velocity 60mm gun.
Links, Resources & Further Reading
Panzer Tracts issue 12–1: Flakpanzerkampfwagen IV and other Flakpanzer projects development and production from 1942 to 1945, Thomas Jentz & Hilary L. Doyle.
Presidio Press, Patton: A History of the American Main Battle Tank, Volume 1, R. P. Hunnicutt
Presidio Press, Firepower: A History of the American Heavy Tank, R. P. Hunnicutt
Rock Publications, the AMX-13 Light Tank. Volume 2: Turret, Peter Lau
The Tank Museum, Bovington, UK
The National Armor and Cavalry Museum (NACM), USA
Musée des Blindés, Saumur, France
22 replies on “Oscillating Turrets”
Do you think having conventional tanks with NBC protection today, an absolute necessity? And well done as always.
NBC provides other useful benefits, such as filtering out smoke and acting as an air-conditioning system for the crew (especially useful in warmer areas). Equally other modern developments, such as more advanced Autoloading systems and gun stabilisers have made many of the benefits of an Oscillating turret capable within a conventional turret.
Certainly makes any tank look more exotic, Thanks.
This is where I do not understand general consensus and opinions. NBC is created via materials and overpressure inside crew cabin. Materials used in hull and turret construction remain the same. Overpressure can be created by increasing the amount of air tank takes inside to counterweight bigger supposed gaps in its superstructure if there are any. Oscillating turrets having no NBC protection to me seems rather as a myth and misconception born out of initial models rather than design problem.
No, NBC protection is made out of sealing all the possible orifices through which air could enter, and compensating for any leftovers with overpressure.
The construction of oscillating turrets makes it extremely difficult to impossible to properly seal and no amount of overpressure will compensate for the gaps left.
NBC tanks are not air-tight. This is why you have to do all that extra preparation when trying to cross bodies of water. NBC is created via air filter which uses a motor to suck air into the tank, filter it out and release it inside, creating a slight overpressure inside the tank. Since tank is always leaking air into an atmosphere, virtually no air gets into the tank without going through air filters first.
Thus in theory, it should be possible to seal oscillating turret with stronger NBC air filter and placing some soft material among moving parts.
Yes, NBC tanks are not completely air tight, but they have to be air tight enough for the fans to be able to create enough of an overpressure to keep outside potentially contaminated air out. This is especially hard to do for places where things have to be able to depress and elevate.
For regular guns, it is difficult enough and is one of the reasons why small internal mantlets have mostly become a thing.
For oscillating turrets, the area you would have to seal is too large to be able to do it well enough to allow the overpressure system to actually create enough of an overpressure. Furthermore, due to the shapes of the turrets (required by ballistic protection and the autoloader system), you do not have a constant distance between the two surfaces as the turret elevates and depresses. Sometimes the distance will be very small, sometimes it would be a very large gap.
In Soviet Union were also oscillating turrets.
Do you add object 752 to this article?
Hello Barakuda. We have no plans to add other vehicles to this article.
Is there a picture or some sort of drawing of the COBRA tank that the UK designed?
We have an article in progress, stay tuned!
Any news on the COBRA article? If you could provide some source for more info that’d be great. Thanks
We have a number of STT (School of Tank Technology) tank articles to work on, it shall appear at some point in the future.
Has there been any work done on the article about COBRA?
Does there exist any picture or detailed description of the Arnold H. S. Landor armored car?
There are schematics of the Landor, they will be featured on the vehicle’s own article.
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when are you writing about the Landor armored car ?
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Hello i happend to notice ”AMX-13/60: An update program that replaced the existing gun of the French Light Tanks with a high-velocity 60mm gun.” on this page, i dont suppose you have more info/ a source for this?
“it made the addition of an autoloader far easier becasue the loading system moves with the gun”
Because is misspelled.
Small correction: M1128’s turret isn’t unmanned or remotely controlled, it’s what you’d call a “low profile” turret, where gunner and commander sit below gun